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mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: 83 Wall Street lobbyists
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Exposed: McCain team includes 83 Wall Street lobbyists John Byrne Published: Wednesday September 17, 2008 As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) rails against Wall Street while concurrently benefiting from its largesse, some journalists are getting tired. David Corn -- an investigative reporter formerly with The Nation and currently reporting for Mother Jones -- has printed a list of 83 Wall Street lobbyists he says are working for or have bundled contributions for McCain. The Democratic National Committee has previously accused McCain of using 177 lobbyists either as campaign aides, advisers or fundraisers. Corn notes that former Sen. Phil Gramm, the Arizona senator's onetime campaign chairman and economic adviser, slipped into law a provision that kept credit default swaps unregulated, dramatically kindling to the current financial fires. "Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks," Corn writes. "These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation's capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. "Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain's chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain's national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign's congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain's veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain's transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group)." Obama's anti-lobbyist rhetoric, meanwhile, has irked other reporters, among them Newsweek's Michael Isikoff. Isikoff noted that Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, worked for a firm that hoodwinked Illinois consumers by convincing them a California-style crises would befall them unless they increased electric rates. Axelrod adamantly denied the charge. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," he said. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." Obama also put James Johnson, the former CEO of Fannie Mae, on his vice presidential search committee team. Johnson resigned in June. The full McCain list is printed below. ### Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC Rhonda Bentz: VISA Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac Christine Burgeson: Citigroup Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group Alfonse D'Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company Mimi Dawson: MassMutual Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp. Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital Phil Gramm: UBS Americas John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc. Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders, Stanford Group, Lloyd's of London, National City Corp. Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank Mary Mann: MassMutual Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture John Napier: Freddie Mac Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance Walter Price: Wachovia Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange Andrew Shore: Accenture, Retail Industry Lenders Association, Barclays, Bond Market Association, Credit Suisse, TPG Capital Katie Stahl: Alliance for Investment Transparency, Ares Management, Fairfax Financial Holdings, Uhlmann Financial Group Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF Aquiles Suarez: Fannie Mae Don Sundquist: Freddie Mac, The Hartford Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential Fred Thompson: Equitas Jeri Thompson: American Insurance Association John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group Vin Weber: Agstar Financial Services, AKT Investment Corp., American Institute of CPAs, Ernst & Young, Freddie Mac, Louis Dreyfus Corp, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Jeffery Weiss: JP Morgan Tony Williams: Russell Investment Group, American Life Inc., Northwestern Mutual -------------------------------------------------- Dang, that's a heckuva list... now can we expect one person in the so called "liberal" media to ask him about this? I doubt it. Great information! It's too bad that enough people either don't know about this or seem to care! Perhaps they're caught up in the Spin Zone! |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: The McPalin
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mccain/palin 2008 no other option thank you, and have a nice day There are always options. Like, anyone but.
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mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: The McPalin
Dry, no sesame seeds, no bun, no lettuce, tomato or sauce.
Processed soy, no meat. In fact, no real substance at all! |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: Republicans: The Party That Should Have Known Better
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Obey the government at all costs, Nationalizing the banking system. Corporate welfare is handouts, between the Fed and our central government, these banks aren't getting welfare anymore, they're flat taking most of them over. When I mentioned Corporate Welfare I was referring to all the government bailouts that have happened just this year! Of course, politicians would rather bail out these corporations before they would bail out the average American homeowner! Which just goes to show where their true loyalties lie! |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: Republicans: The Party That Should Have Known Better
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Actually I'm glad this happened on Bush's watch, it showed him and his admin. to be the frauds I've always said they were. No self respecting conservative would have bailed any of these a$$hats out. A conservative would have winced as they bit the dust and then watched with intrigue as the market suffered some and then corrected itself. Instead the socalled conservative proved that neoconservative is a farce, by practicing National Socialism, which is in his families blood. War, Perhaps it should also be called for what it is: Corporate Welfare |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
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I think there are some major discrepancies in things she says. She said she "told the Congress thanks but no thanks on the Bridge to Nowhere". The truth is that she supported the bridge to nowhere while running for Governor of Alaska in 2006. Once Congress had decided not to fund it, she then claimed she opposed it. Hmmmmm. She claims to be against earmarks. The truth is that as Mayor of Wasilla she obtained over $20 million in earmarks for a town of under 10,000 people. As governor of Alaska she has requested almost $1/2 billion in earmarks. Yikes! Winx, There ya' go being an "idealist". You know better than to believe politicians. ![]() Yet you are correct. Actions speak louder than words. ![]() Idealist, eh? ![]() Yes, actions speak louder than words. Another: Sarah Palin not only supported the Bridge to Nowhere, she made treks to Washington DC to fight for it. She only stopped advocating for the bridge after there was a public outcry against it. Palin also kept nearly all the money allotted for the bridge after the project was ended. This is what really gets to me. ![]() They should call the McCain-Palin ticket the Ticket to Nowhere. |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: Vote to put your country first
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Everyone has a right to vote for whom ever they want. Have voted a few third parties. With the awareness that third parties rarely - if ever win. Got to check that one. Unfortunately, they more often skew the results in unfavorable - or favorable ways. Depending upon other's points of view. It's important to remember that if you vote for a third party candidate, you could swing the vote away from the candidate of the two parties that you LEAST dislike, therefore the candidate you MOST dislike could then become President by default. Of course if you see no difference at all, then it wouldn't matter. Although, in all likelihood, your candidate wouldn't win anyway.
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mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: Conservatives turn on McCain-Palin
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Oh, boy... "Is Sarah Palin qualified to be vice president? Most conservatives say yes, on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong. But a few commentators, like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum and Ross Douthat demur, suggesting in different ways that she is unready... Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness." - David Brooks - NYT "McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though... His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not." - Richard Cohen - Washington Post Even Michael Savage can't stand her! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrrFDd3v-lk&feature=related |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: "Troopergate"
Sarah Palin's husband is under investigation as "Troopergate" unravels:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate Excerpt: 'The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.' The plot thickens... |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
Topic: McCain's Integrity
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This is from a previous McCain supporter. McCain's Integrity Wednesday 10 September 2008 » by: Andrew Sullivan, The Atlantic For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign? So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country. And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil. He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country's honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was. And when he had the chance to engage in a real and substantive debate against the most talented politician of the next generation in a fall campaign where vital issues are at stake, what did McCain do? He began his general campaign with a series of grotesque, trivial and absurd MTV-style attacks on Obama's virtues and implied disgusting things about his opponent's patriotism. And then, because he could see he was going to lose, ten days ago, he threw caution to the wind and with no vetting whatsoever, picked a woman who, by her decision to endure her own eight-month pregnancy of a Down Syndrome child in public, that he was going to reignite the culture war as a last stand against Obama. That's all that is happening right now: a massive bump in the enthusiasm of the Christianist base. This is pure Rove. Yes, McCain made a decision that revealed many appalling things about him. In the end, his final concern is not national security. No one who cares about national security would pick as vice-president someone who knows nothing about it as his replacement. No one who cares about this country's safety would gamble the security of the world on a total unknown because she polled well with the Christianist base. No person who truly believed that the surge was integral to this country's national security would pick as his veep candidate a woman who, so far as we can tell anything, opposed it at the time. McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html Not making points with his own these days is he? I can see it too, can you? Maybe McCain really wants Obama to win. |
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Topic: Sarah Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
Seems that what Sarah Palin said about her opposition to the Bridge to Nowhere wasn't true:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/08/uselections2008.johnmccain1 |
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Topic: Something good
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Who is McCain John McCain Senior Senator from Arizona Incumbent Assumed office January 3, 1987 Serving with Jon Kyl Preceded by Barry Goldwater Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Arizona's 1st district In office January 3, 1983 – January 3, 1987 Preceded by John Jacob Rhodes Jr. Succeeded by John Jacob Rhodes III Born August 29, 1936 (1936-08-29) (age 72) Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone, Panama Nationality American Political party Republican Spouse Carol Shepp (m. 1965, div. 1980) Cindy Lou Hensley (m. 1980) Children Douglas (b. 1959, adopted 1966), Andrew (b. 1962, adopted 1966), Sidney (b. 1966), Meghan (b. 1984), John Sidney IV "Jack" (b. 1986), James "Jimmy" (b. 1988), Bridget (b. 1991, adopted 1993) Alma mater United States Naval Academy Profession Naval aviator, Politician Religion Southern Baptist congregant (Brought up Episcopalian)[1] Signature John McCain's signature Website U.S. Senator John McCain: Arizona More detailed articles about John McCain: Early life and military career House and Senate career, 1982–2000 2000 presidential campaign Senate career, 2001–present 2008 presidential campaign Cultural and political image Political positions McCain at Annapolis, c. 1954 McCain at Annapolis, c. 1954 John Sidney McCain III (born August 29, 1936) is the senior United States Senator from Arizona and presidential nominee of the Republican Party in the 2008 presidential election. McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he nearly lost his life in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. Later that year while on a bombing mission over North Vietnam, he was shot down, badly injured, and captured as a prisoner of war by the North Vietnamese. He was held from 1967 to 1973, experiencing episodes of torture and refusing an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer; his war wounds would leave him with lifelong physical limitations. He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981, moved to Arizona, and entered politics. Elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982, he served two terms, and was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 1986, winning re-election easily in 1992, 1998, and 2004. While generally adhering to conservative principles, McCain has gained a media reputation as a "maverick" for disagreeing with his party on several key issues. After being investigated and largely exonerated in a political influence scandal of the 1980s as a member of the "Keating Five," he made campaign finance reform one of his signature concerns, which eventually led to the passage of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002. He is also known for his work towards restoring diplomatic relations with Vietnam in the 1990s, and for his belief that the war in Iraq should be fought to a successful conclusion in the 2000s. McCain has chaired the Senate Commerce Committee, has opposed pork barrel spending, and played a key role in alleviating a crisis over judicial nominations. McCain lost his bid for the Republican nomination in the 2000 presidential election to George W. Bush. He ran again for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, and gained enough delegates to become the party's presumptive nominee in March 2008. McCain was formally nominated at the 2008 Republican National Convention in September 2008, together with his chosen running mate from Alaska, Governor Sarah Palin. This man is just not some fly by night....He is a man that loves this country and is not afraid to shake it up to make the changes necessary to do it different. It hasn't worked in a long long time.....we need someone like him who won't take crap or be bought........ He is also a man who cheated on his first wife after she got in a car accident. So much for family values. |
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Topic: Mc Cain picks Alaska Governor Palin
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one big differance is Obama will not promote religion or put conservative judges on the supreme court. I am sure the oil industry will be put on notice about price gougeing. You can expect better from the FDA and more food inspections and not the blind eye that has been the past 8 years. Have ya noticed all the food poisoning outbreaks going around? there is a reasone for this, people like heck if a job brownie are running our govenment agencies all in the pocket of big business. Obama is going to Crack under pressure, he has no clue. Hell, he is scared of McCains VP Pick!! They are attacking her bad and it is back firing on obama. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think the Obama camp can take care of Caribou Barbie! Oh Yeah, then why is it when he does, his rating goes down? How is his rating going down? Where is your proof? And please don't give me a conservative blog. |
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Topic: Mc Cain picks Alaska Governor Palin
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one big differance is Obama will not promote religion or put conservative judges on the supreme court. I am sure the oil industry will be put on notice about price gougeing. You can expect better from the FDA and more food inspections and not the blind eye that has been the past 8 years. Have ya noticed all the food poisoning outbreaks going around? there is a reasone for this, people like heck if a job brownie are running our govenment agencies all in the pocket of big business. Obama is going to Crack under pressure, he has no clue. Hell, he is scared of McCains VP Pick!! They are attacking her bad and it is back firing on obama. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think the Obama camp can take care of Caribou Barbie! Pretty funny. McCain said Obama's like Paris Hilton, then he nominated a former Miss Alaska pageant runner-up! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Topic: Mc Cain picks Alaska Governor Palin
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Apples and oranges. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense. Just more twisted logic from a rightie. No, god forbid we blame that moronic Govenor, or that Idiotic mayor, it is 100% Bush. That is why I dislike liberals, they are too arrogant to admit when they are wrong, because they live in their little fantasy world that they are perfect.... The American people have had to put up with arrogance of the Republican elitists for over 7 years. The Republicans who have run this country have almost brought it to the brink of destruction. It's time for someone who can put people back to work, help this economy and improve our standing in the international community. Some people (a delusional minority) still think Bush Jr. is one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Who's living in a fantasy world? I'd say most are. Dems or repubs. Repubs lately have been neoconservative instead of conservative. Dems are trying to be socialistic. Both are coming up with the same foriegn policies. The only difference between the two are on minor issues. IMO we have all been living in this fantasy world. I would say it's more of the matter of which direction do you want this country to go in? If you want more of the same, vote for McCain, because you must be happy with the way things are now. If you aren't happy with the direction the country is going in, vote for someone else. If that's Ron Paul or anyone other than McCain, fine. At any rate, things have got to change. I think the general message is if you vote for Obama or McCain than you are in for more of the same. May be different people, with some differences in certain smaller ideas, but looking at the big picture niether really discuss what matters. Yes i am for a third party. No i don't like McCain. I have read Obama's website pretty thoroughly and came up with almost NOTHING. He's just preaching. Winning votes by saying "change". Granted he does get a little more specific, but not much. I don't care about parties, or even their personal backgrounds. NIETHER of them have any plans that will CHANGE much of anything. If you disagree, please answer WHAT big issue Obama is gonna change. Cuz he ain't changing foriegn policy, he's just moving troops to a different locations outside the U.S. You have the right to your own opinion. I'm not saying Ron Paul doesn't have some good ideas, but you have to ask yourself how electable he is. Thank you for leveling. His electibility isn't good, no. No argument there. But voting the "lesser of two evils" makes us all slaves to the two party system. The same two party system that is pretty much rooting for the same basic ideals, that aren't in our best interests. If you vote for only the main two candidates you wont get much "change" at all. We will eventually be paying $10 a gallon, healthcare will be government run/owned making you wait 6 months to get seen, our troops will always be deployed, etc. Will we be paying $10 a gallon? There could be billions of gallons of oil under North Dakota. Granted, it's trapped in oil shale, but they're devising new drills to extract it. Or we could go to alternative fuels. We just need different alternatives to foreign oil, and American ingenuity will get us there. As far as healthcare goes, if you're a veteran who uses the VA system, you already get socialized medicine. Why couldn't there be a similar system for other people that's affordable? Our troops are going to Afghanistan anyway. Everyone knows it. Because things are getting worse there.
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Topic: Mc Cain picks Alaska Governor Palin
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Apples and oranges. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense. Just more twisted logic from a rightie. No, god forbid we blame that moronic Govenor, or that Idiotic mayor, it is 100% Bush. That is why I dislike liberals, they are too arrogant to admit when they are wrong, because they live in their little fantasy world that they are perfect.... The American people have had to put up with arrogance of the Republican elitists for over 7 years. The Republicans who have run this country have almost brought it to the brink of destruction. It's time for someone who can put people back to work, help this economy and improve our standing in the international community. Some people (a delusional minority) still think Bush Jr. is one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Who's living in a fantasy world? I'd say most are. Dems or repubs. Repubs lately have been neoconservative instead of conservative. Dems are trying to be socialistic. Both are coming up with the same foriegn policies. The only difference between the two are on minor issues. IMO we have all been living in this fantasy world. I would say it's more of the matter of which direction do you want this country to go in? If you want more of the same, vote for McCain, because you must be happy with the way things are now. If you aren't happy with the direction the country is going in, vote for someone else. If that's Ron Paul or anyone other than McCain, fine. At any rate, things have got to change. What changes does obama want to bring, I have to hear that... The same could be said about McCain... Logically, no one can explain what either candidate will "change" that will amount to much of anythign. Ok, you don't know what change Obama is bringing, he was elected in 2005, what has he accomplished since he has been in the senate? What things has Sarah Palin accomplished other than carry a Down's Syndrome kid, run a small town and supposedly take on "big oil"? As far a political resumes go, hers is pretty empty. |
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Topic: Mc Cain picks Alaska Governor Palin
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Apples and oranges. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense. Just more twisted logic from a rightie. No, god forbid we blame that moronic Govenor, or that Idiotic mayor, it is 100% Bush. That is why I dislike liberals, they are too arrogant to admit when they are wrong, because they live in their little fantasy world that they are perfect.... The American people have had to put up with arrogance of the Republican elitists for over 7 years. The Republicans who have run this country have almost brought it to the brink of destruction. It's time for someone who can put people back to work, help this economy and improve our standing in the international community. Some people (a delusional minority) still think Bush Jr. is one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Who's living in a fantasy world? I'd say most are. Dems or repubs. Repubs lately have been neoconservative instead of conservative. Dems are trying to be socialistic. Both are coming up with the same foriegn policies. The only difference between the two are on minor issues. IMO we have all been living in this fantasy world. I would say it's more of the matter of which direction do you want this country to go in? If you want more of the same, vote for McCain, because you must be happy with the way things are now. If you aren't happy with the direction the country is going in, vote for someone else. If that's Ron Paul or anyone other than McCain, fine. At any rate, things have got to change. I think the general message is if you vote for Obama or McCain than you are in for more of the same. May be different people, with some differences in certain smaller ideas, but looking at the big picture niether really discuss what matters. Yes i am for a third party. No i don't like McCain. I have read Obama's website pretty thoroughly and came up with almost NOTHING. He's just preaching. Winning votes by saying "change". Granted he does get a little more specific, but not much. I don't care about parties, or even their personal backgrounds. NIETHER of them have any plans that will CHANGE much of anything. If you disagree, please answer WHAT big issue Obama is gonna change. Cuz he ain't changing foriegn policy, he's just moving troops to a different locations outside the U.S. You have the right to your own opinion. I'm not saying Ron Paul doesn't have some good ideas, but you have to ask yourself how electable he is. |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
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I'm wondering who to vote for. and I'm not listening to the dirt people are spewing. I wanna know WHY Senator McCain or Senator Obama should be President http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ |
mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
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Apples and oranges. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense. Just more twisted logic from a rightie. No, god forbid we blame that moronic Govenor, or that Idiotic mayor, it is 100% Bush. That is why I dislike liberals, they are too arrogant to admit when they are wrong, because they live in their little fantasy world that they are perfect.... The American people have had to put up with arrogance of the Republican elitists for over 7 years. The Republicans who have run this country have almost brought it to the brink of destruction. It's time for someone who can put people back to work, help this economy and improve our standing in the international community. Some people (a delusional minority) still think Bush Jr. is one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Who's living in a fantasy world? I'd say most are. Dems or repubs. Repubs lately have been neoconservative instead of conservative. Dems are trying to be socialistic. Both are coming up with the same foriegn policies. The only difference between the two are on minor issues. IMO we have all been living in this fantasy world. I would say it's more of the matter of which direction do you want this country to go in? If you want more of the same, vote for McCain, because you must be happy with the way things are now. If you aren't happy with the direction the country is going in, vote for someone else. If that's Ron Paul or anyone other than McCain, fine. At any rate, things have got to change.
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mnhiker![]() Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3586 |
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why? (it's tough when you can't slam the opposition isnt it?) Why would I slam the opposition, that would be negative, wouldn't it? But I guess it's just like Lincoln said: “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”. Some people are never satisfied with the answer you give, that is, unless it fits their preconceived notions and bias. |
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