if each human born was cast from heaven to hell by the act of birth, then this would change the perception of many things in biblical text........

if god is each ones own "greater" self from another dimension, this would allow many things to be seen differently as well.........

if god was only the truth of what ones pre-determined path was, and this is known by each ones own "self" from another realm, then this would change many perceptions as well.........

if mans walk upon the earth was also as gathering data for comsumptiom, learning, and not just as physical food, then many things make more completed sense.........

if each human born is as a tree, having two sides as a coin, then also many things have more meaning.........

if all satan is was the potential of the mind of men to create "bad", while learing and advancing thru time, then this would change many percpetions once had........

if all "god" was said to be was only the truth each one contain a piece of within oneself, as each one live a life unique and with a immortal purpose as well as mortal purpose, then greater purpose is contained within all as well, then this would change many percieved meanings within text........

if adam and eve are a description of all men and women for the sake of speaking of one to describe all, then this also change much perception once had...........

if the tree of knowledge of good and evil only be the conscious mind one NEEDS to use to secure many things for self survival, then this also would change the perception of many other meanings, and..............

if the tree of life was only the "heart" of all beings or sometimes also called as the subconscious mind, or the garden within, that whisper from another realm ones own destiny or truth, then this would change MANY THINGS once percieved in ways that cut may others out of having good purpose..........

i am in no way a proponent reading or not reading of scripture, and do not state such things for the intent of proving any text correct or not correct, but rather to prove that all possiblities are possible, and many possibilities have never been contemplated as possible, if they go against some personal interpretation once heard, and rather to voice that all questions and words are beneficial no matter what and who they come from, and can be the only thing that lead to more understanding or wisdom..........

Well, thats what BRITISH history tells us.

I would be interested in seeing the Spanish side of the story.

I think in that time, it was all about expansion.
Europeans were getting pretty equal in terms of navies and armies, so they started looking for trading opportunities.

Dont forget also that the Portuguese were pretty dominant too.

What with Magellan and his strait, and the Jesuits in Asia, the whole of the Catholic religious south was expanding at a phenomenal rate.

It always has been the same with us Euros - who can make the most money ....

Do you know that words have meanings?

win != vote

I encourage you to look up both words in a dictionary.

I'll cya there Dawny~~~~

...all the way to Heaven...

I wasn't demonized in my church, I don't know which one you go too.


By the way, I'm sending that joke to my mom.

Im jewish...with a hint of Bhuddism and a splash of Zen for zest

I'm preposing a debate, with rules and decorum. Not the childish insult matches which are so popular here. Rules which would include throwing out gratuitous assertions and strawman fallacies. Wouldn't it be nice for everyone to use their brains and articulate their positions with logic and evidence? Wouldn't that be nice instead of "Your religion is stupid" "No it's not" "Yes it is" "No it's not" ad infinitum?

hey sorry it took me so long to post on your thread ive been busy with some things.

so what is it that you would like me to write about good sir?