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It's not like any of it is real any way.


Any of what?

What is real to you?

JB
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What I can touch, what can be empirically proven, not superstition and fantasty.
Jeanniebean
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What I can touch, what can be empirically proven, not superstition and fantasty.


So you judge reality with your five senses? Is that all there is for you?


JB
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if you can prove scientifically and mathmatically that there is anything out there, then cool. I don't see it otherwise.
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if you can prove scientifically and mathmatically that there is anything out there, then cool. I don't see it otherwise.


By the term "out there" are you suggesting that we exist "in here" somewhere? If so, what are we in?

And by "anything" what are your referring to? Ghosts? Spirits? Big foot? Santa Clause? God? Aliens? What?

Surely your world is not so small that the only thing that exists in it is what you can see, touch, taste, smell and hear.

JB

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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


bigsmileThen you and I are in the same situation. That is why I spend so much time on these boards. Good call with reading Anton LaVey by the way. Satanism is a very interesting religion and definately gets a bad rap from people right off the bat obviously because of the name. Although the religion itself is very interesting. I have known a couple of satanists and they are always fun to talk to. Really nice people too.

I look forward to seeing you around the religion boards then.
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


bigsmileThen you and I are in the same situation. That is why I spend so much time on these boards. Good call with reading Anton LaVey by the way. Satanism is a very interesting religion and definately gets a bad rap from people right off the bat obviously because of the name. Although the religion itself is very interesting. I have known a couple of satanists and they are always fun to talk to. Really nice people too.

I look forward to seeing you around the religion boards then.


totally. I have only met one satanist in my life and he was very nice. The thing I like about LaVey is that he has a sense of humor, which makes his books easy to read compared to some of the tomes I have plowed my way through. (Crowley yawn)
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I'm Pagan.
Blackbird
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It seems there are allot of Christians on here (a group I don't identify myself with) So I was wondering if there is anyone on here that has a more Pagan view on life? I don't follow one Specific path, but there are things I believe and things that I don't. My beliefs mostly fall under the Pagan umbrella, so thats what I call myself. Anyone on here a non-Christian or maybe follows a Pagan path?


I'm...complicated.
I've gone through and examined a number of faith systems and found them all lacking in one way or another. Rather than the concepts themselves this is a problem with the application of religion in an organized form which encourages Dogma.

Pagan...Yes that is how I am identified although my views are idiosyncratic. I have definately participated in more Shamanistic and Wiccan cermonies and rituals than any other spiritual path as an adult.
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


Hugs

you are always in good company. Some of us engage in non pagan debate so to speak because we know we are in the minority. Personally I've been on the forums this week in an attempt to better understand the views of current Christians and Anti-christian trolls. I already know the sentiments of the pagan communities in a general sense...
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That is a pretty general description of pagan. I had heard from somewhere that paganism was an actual religion. If this is so I expected more of a structured belief system. I don't expect a pagan to follow the teachings of Jesus, because that would make them more of a Christian. From what you describe it is just a term to tag on anyone who is not heavily into one of the other major religions.

My understanding of Wiccans is that they worship the earth and the earth mother or goddess, the sun, the moon, the stars, and they practice their version of magick etc. I have friends who loosely consider themselves wiccans or "witches."

I practice my "magick" through the creative techniques but they are not associated with the worship of a god or goddess.

JB




Right, Like I said. Pagan is a VERY broad term. It covers an entire set of beliefs and is not a structured religion at all. You could get 100 pagans in a room and they will each believe a different thing and perhaps even worship different Gods. Kind of why I said it is a religious Agnosticism really. They pick and choose what they believe and what makes sense to them and it could come from any religion or multiple religions. (By the way. Not all pagans believe or follow Jesus. I have just known some that like what he was preaching and incorporate that into their belief system.)

You are correct with Wiccans though. There is a earth mother goddess and a God in Wicca. The Goddess is the dominant diety though. They do look towards the sun, the moon, the stars for guidance and understanding and incorporate that into their magick. I only said witchcraft because that is what it is commonly associated with and most wiccans fully accept that. They don't consider being called a witch deragoratory(sp?)


Once during a lecture a pagan that I knew and was listening to with other pagans made a comment to the effect of:

"Since christianity became a mainstream religion and dominated the cultures we live in our original spiritual paths were lost. After Christianity has proven to be a complete failure we have saught the lessons of our original cultures, and began to make our own religions so we can find one that works."

This is a general statement of course...but conveys a somewhat accurate overall sentiment. Even in the cases of those that are trying to revive exactly ancient belief systems, much is unknown or unproven so they follow the old ways in theory without confirmation about details or significance in some things.
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That is a pretty general description of pagan. I had heard from somewhere that paganism was an actual religion. If this is so I expected more of a structured belief system. I don't expect a pagan to follow the teachings of Jesus, because that would make them more of a Christian. From what you describe it is just a term to tag on anyone who is not heavily into one of the other major religions.

My understanding of Wiccans is that they worship the earth and the earth mother or goddess, the sun, the moon, the stars, and they practice their version of magick etc. I have friends who loosely consider themselves wiccans or "witches."

I practice my "magick" through the creative techniques but they are not associated with the worship of a god or goddess.

JB




Right, Like I said. Pagan is a VERY broad term. It covers an entire set of beliefs and is not a structured religion at all. You could get 100 pagans in a room and they will each believe a different thing and perhaps even worship different Gods. Kind of why I said it is a religious Agnosticism really. They pick and choose what they believe and what makes sense to them and it could come from any religion or multiple religions. (By the way. Not all pagans believe or follow Jesus. I have just known some that like what he was preaching and incorporate that into their belief system.)

You are correct with Wiccans though. There is a earth mother goddess and a God in Wicca. The Goddess is the dominant diety though. They do look towards the sun, the moon, the stars for guidance and understanding and incorporate that into their magick. I only said witchcraft because that is what it is commonly associated with and most wiccans fully accept that. They don't consider being called a witch deragoratory(sp?)


Once during a lecture a pagan that I knew and was listening to with other pagans made a comment to the effect of:

"Since christianity became a mainstream religion and dominated the cultures we live in our original spiritual paths were lost. After Christianity has proven to be a complete failure we have saught the lessons of our original cultures, and began to make our own religions so we can find one that works."

This is a general statement of course...but conveys a somewhat accurate overall sentiment. Even in the cases of those that are trying to revive exactly ancient belief systems, much is unknown or unproven so they follow the old ways in theory without confirmation about details or significance in some things.


Thanks BB. I know that back before Christianity when paganism was around that it was a more set in stone way of thinking which is what JB might have been referring to. But yes, now it is a much broader term as pagans try to find something that fits with their own beliefs. Which often differs from other pagans. The great thing about pagans are that even though you can have 100 pagans believing 100 totally different things. You usually never see a pagan condemning you to hell for your beliefs. Kind of a nice thought isn't it?
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That is a pretty general description of pagan. I had heard from somewhere that paganism was an actual religion. If this is so I expected more of a structured belief system. I don't expect a pagan to follow the teachings of Jesus, because that would make them more of a Christian. From what you describe it is just a term to tag on anyone who is not heavily into one of the other major religions.

My understanding of Wiccans is that they worship the earth and the earth mother or goddess, the sun, the moon, the stars, and they practice their version of magick etc. I have friends who loosely consider themselves wiccans or "witches."

I practice my "magick" through the creative techniques but they are not associated with the worship of a god or goddess.

JB




Right, Like I said. Pagan is a VERY broad term. It covers an entire set of beliefs and is not a structured religion at all. You could get 100 pagans in a room and they will each believe a different thing and perhaps even worship different Gods. Kind of why I said it is a religious Agnosticism really. They pick and choose what they believe and what makes sense to them and it could come from any religion or multiple religions. (By the way. Not all pagans believe or follow Jesus. I have just known some that like what he was preaching and incorporate that into their belief system.)

You are correct with Wiccans though. There is a earth mother goddess and a God in Wicca. The Goddess is the dominant diety though. They do look towards the sun, the moon, the stars for guidance and understanding and incorporate that into their magick. I only said witchcraft because that is what it is commonly associated with and most wiccans fully accept that. They don't consider being called a witch deragoratory(sp?)


Once during a lecture a pagan that I knew and was listening to with other pagans made a comment to the effect of:

"Since christianity became a mainstream religion and dominated the cultures we live in our original spiritual paths were lost. After Christianity has proven to be a complete failure we have saught the lessons of our original cultures, and began to make our own religions so we can find one that works."

This is a general statement of course...but conveys a somewhat accurate overall sentiment. Even in the cases of those that are trying to revive exactly ancient belief systems, much is unknown or unproven so they follow the old ways in theory without confirmation about details or significance in some things.


Thanks BB. I know that back before Christianity when paganism was around that it was a more set in stone way of thinking which is what JB might have been referring to. But yes, now it is a much broader term as pagans try to find something that fits with their own beliefs. Which often differs from other pagans. The great thing about pagans are that even though you can have 100 pagans believing 100 totally different things. You usually never see a pagan condemning you to hell for your beliefs. Kind of a nice thought isn't it?


This is quite true!

However in all fairness I have to point out that I have been deeply involved in both cultures Christian and Pagan. I have seen the same nasty behavior sets in both groups. The problem is that the bad apples never really learn, and to them a a spiritual event isn't any different from any other opportunity to try to hurt people.

Now one would think you could just toss them out, but this goes back to what my great aunt once said which was that it's the worst people that need organized religion the most (in hopes that they improve which I havent' seen much evidence of). So basically religion is there for all people, and even in private groups with "safe" groups you never really get rid of the hateful.

It's largely because of this that I gave up on organized religion, even on the pagan side, because the truth is wherever you are in organized religion in America you are likely to see the worst ones, because their belief is twisted to keep them from being ashamed.

I started doing general community events. My reasoning is that people don't always behave well there either, but when someone does something to hurt someone else they know it, and everyone else knows it. In a general community people have to take self responsibility. In religious communities people don't take responsibility because their right to blame their god or their beliefs isn't stripped away. This is why American democracy failed completely, religion was never removed in spite of claims.

I learned that with general community we had the same problems, but as a group we eventually were able to work everything out and those making trouble drifted away. This was achieved through non aggressive passive resistence.


I hope this makes sense...it's all just my views based on what I have learned.
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[Origin: 1325–75; ME < ML, LL pāgānus worshiper of false gods, orig. civilian (i.e., not a soldier of Christ)



Your derogatory statments are not wanted nor required thank you so much feral....
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


I'm Pagan, and am legal clegy of said religion in the state of Ohio, I am authorized to provide wedding ceremonies, last rites and prison visits for pagans behind bars, although there usually aren't any as we walk a more moral and higher ground.
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


I hope you get all about him...He was a loon and arrested more times then I care to count....so satan used that one to his full potential I would say...heartheart
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Good o see I am not the only one. Religions in general interest me. Just what people believe and why they believe it and their Philosophies and stuff. Whether it be Pagan or otherwise. Right now, I am reading Anton LaVey (He started the Church of Satan and Wrote the Satanic Bible)Not that I have any interest in being a Satanist, it just interests me.


I'm Pagan, and am legal clegy of said religion in the state of Ohio, I am authorized to provide wedding ceremonies, last rites and prison visits for pagans behind bars, although there usually aren't any as we walk a more moral and higher ground.


I also do all the above.....and try and live as Jesus intended.....but I think you better be real careful of picking up that first stone lil girl.
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That is a pretty general description of pagan. I had heard from somewhere that paganism was an actual religion. If this is so I expected more of a structured belief system. I don't expect a pagan to follow the teachings of Jesus, because that would make them more of a Christian. From what you describe it is just a term to tag on anyone who is not heavily into one of the other major religions.

My understanding of Wiccans is that they worship the earth and the earth mother or goddess, the sun, the moon, the stars, and they practice their version of magick etc. I have friends who loosely consider themselves wiccans or "witches."

I practice my "magick" through the creative techniques but they are not associated with the worship of a god or goddess.

JB




Right, Like I said. Pagan is a VERY broad term. It covers an entire set of beliefs and is not a structured religion at all. You could get 100 pagans in a room and they will each believe a different thing and perhaps even worship different Gods. Kind of why I said it is a religious Agnosticism really. They pick and choose what they believe and what makes sense to them and it could come from any religion or multiple religions. (By the way. Not all pagans believe or follow Jesus. I have just known some that like what he was preaching and incorporate that into their belief system.)

You are correct with Wiccans though. There is a earth mother goddess and a God in Wicca. The Goddess is the dominant diety though. They do look towards the sun, the moon, the stars for guidance and understanding and incorporate that into their magick. I only said witchcraft because that is what it is commonly associated with and most wiccans fully accept that. They don't consider being called a witch deragoratory(sp?)


Once during a lecture a pagan that I knew and was listening to with other pagans made a comment to the effect of:

"Since christianity became a mainstream religion and dominated the cultures we live in our original spiritual paths were lost. After Christianity has proven to be a complete failure we have saught the lessons of our original cultures, and began to make our own religions so we can find one that works."

This is a general statement of course...but conveys a somewhat accurate overall sentiment. Even in the cases of those that are trying to revive exactly ancient belief systems, much is unknown or unproven so they follow the old ways in theory without confirmation about details or significance in some things.


I find it rather funny that all you care about is ousting Christians....And again I say to you......be very care to judge as thee will be judged..
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Hey JB, I will try to help with what I can.

Paganism is usually the broad term people use for some of the people that don't really know what they believe. It's actually kind of a more religious Agnosticism. Pagans usually pick and choose what they like from multiple religions. So they may not consider themself a Christian but they follow the path of christ but also believe in Reincarnation and multiple Gods and Goddesses. It's almost like a make your own religion religion. (Not saying that to be rude, Just looking for the best way to explain it. So if any pagans have a better way please help me. smile)

Wicca is a actual religion that is based more off of witchcraft. Although it is a very nature based religion. There are some differences between Wiccans, Druids, Shamans, and religions of that sort. Although all of those are extrememly nature based dealing with the earths energies more than divine guidance. (Although it is a polytheastic religion so there are Gods and Goddesses) Wicca is a form of paganism and some people use the terms Wiccan and Pagan interchangeably. Sometimes I even slip up and do. Wiccans basically use magick for energy manipulation in their spells. (Prayers for them)

If I am not mistaken you would be able to relate that to your Law of Attraction experiments. Only I think you were just asking the universe and wanting the things you were asking for. I don't remember if you said you were doing anything else like praying or casting spells or what not. Although you were asking the Universe for the things you wanted and trusting in the energy to bring it to you. Same basic concept.

Anyway. I hope I helped at least a little. I will be honest I am better at answering specific questions over a broad overview. Although if you ever want to know more or if I wasn't very clear in an explanation please ask and I will be more than happy to try to help clarify more.


Wow! I'm a pagen and didn't even know it!!

But not a wiccan... more of the agnostic, make up your own religion. Use what is true, toss out the obviously contradictory and false- borrow from some eastern (taoist, buddhist) and other nature-based religion/philosophies, throw in a little re-incarnation and belief in a creator. Coat it all with a knowledge of how gloriously imperfect the world and all its creatures are and a desire to do the right thing to increase the goodness in the world and feel good about one's own actions...

that's pretty much it. not too formal...

Peace. flowerforyou

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